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Jayne writes:
Hi my name is Jayne, do to the fiancial situation's my husband and I were facing and his not being able to handle working his current job we felt we needed to get into buissness for ourselves, and this sounded like the right answer to our situation's as the way to be able to purchase our own home and to be able to eventually own our own Bed&Breakfast Inn, also to be able to put collage money in a trust for our l yr. old, also to build a trust for our oldest and youngest daughter after we were gone from this world. It started out to be okay til they asked my husband after 2 wk's of recieving book's to establish working with us on one on one and that they would help us purchase our frist properties with a personnel help councler or guide; they asked the credit card acct # and thing's started snowballing from then on. they not only maxed out our credit card, they gave us online address that were disfunctial also telling us to go to this website Relendingnetwork.com. also a toll free #1-800-501-9097. Well to make this short and sweet as they say I frist called our coach, left a message with her machine. no phone call back, next tried for six hour's on my computor to come up with said sight. to no avail. called toll free # and a lady said Mark will return my call. None came... recalled Charlotte and she's got just voice mail. Left message no call back from her. Normally if I call she pick's right up. I figured after what my brother-in-law know's about computor's I would go to him. Well; he couldn't find the website either, then he went on Yahoo.com and found out this scam's this company has pulled on other's and then I rushed the package to FedEX to return said product overnite, cost $30.94....The company said it takes approximately 1mo.effort to my credit card i used to purchase the product and the same with my Husband's credit card. So I called my Husband's credit card 2wice now and they are sending form's also I've got to go to my bank in morn. too to insure my acct get's proper repaid. Who know's if after we file this dispute's if we will get a refund.. I'm also going to talk to the better Buissness burea. As I can tell you so far this is well over $1850.. Spent and My guess a lawyer is going to have to be involved so probually get back the least amount after lawyer's fees.. So Please don't trust this smooth talking and fast also toiling your heartfelt dream's down the toilet. They got us they will probually , no they will get you too!!!!!!! Thank-you for letting us report this incident also feel free to write me in a month and I'll tell you all the result's... I almost forgot to mention this. They tell you to get tis book and that book's like Real estate for Dummies. So I probually will still do some checking into realestate but; not investing any money into a simple library card will do just fine..
Felicia writes:
I ordered jbeck service on 02/05/03 and rushed my order which supposed to take 5 days... So, I called the numbers which was not working and dispute my credit card bill after reading materials posted on the internet. Thank you guys and hope we can do something about this! Why would we give away money and we dont have any to give.
John writes:
I ordered the John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System several months ago, and I never received anything whatsoever. This guy is a con artist and needs to be arrested.
Cynthia writes:
I ordered the John Beck Program in October of 2002. I called the number from the infomucial, placed my order, in a few weeks I had received the four or five flimsy books in the mail. I skimmed through the books (not understanding half the legal language in them). Within a few days I received a call from a Toby Wagner, Progam Director. 1-800-801-6130 ex. 274. Now I was pretty excited to get started on my program, only I didn't understand half the language in the books they sent me. Toby was explaining to me that there were three different ways to invest, 1) $5-10,000 2)10,000-15,000 or 3) $15,000- + He asked me how much credit I had available to me and I told him I only had about $7,000 on my credit card. Well, that was just enough to get me started!!! I was told I would make that back in six months GUARENNTEEDD!!! Now in the $7,000 I would get guarented funding , Coaching, software, tax lein managment, Tax Club, service warrenty, DPI-Money mangment. All of a sudden I'm getting stuff in the mail. I received one software disc, a hard bound folder with papers, and info for the tax club. O.k. A month rolls by and I get my next credit card bill and each individual "Club"; had billed me. So I'm calling all the numbers on my credit card to cancle and credit back my card for all these clubs. The biggest was the Mentoring Institue $6,800. That one I was acutally using. They gave me my mentors name, Ron Owens from Texas. He would call once a week and he would give me stuff to do for that week. Most calls only lasted ten minutes. So for about three months I did every thing he asked and I would run into a brick wall every time. Finally I had him take me off his call list. I tried to contact Toby Wagner to get my money back. He gave me a number to call who gave me a different number to call who basicilly told me in a very rude way there is no money back guarntee!! I'm now still fighting with the credit card people to dispute the amount of $6,800 and it is May 20th 2003. That was one exspensive phone call.
Greg writes:
The John Beck Free and Clear seems to definately be a scam. I ordered the system in October 2001 from Canada and was told it would take 4-5 weeks to arrive. It never did and the mamy phone calls and e-mails were never returned. At first the story of delays were understandable as we had just gone through the Sept. 11 and anthrax problems with the mail. I had given up by Feb.2002, but have recently tried to get back in contact with them as I have paid for the system 1 1/2 yrs. ago!!
Cheryl writes:
I also ordered John Beck's free and clear approximately 2months ago, and have yet to receieve it. Paid by credit card and included rush delivery and haven't seen one thing yet. Are there any honest people in this world today!
Mike writes:
I ordered John Beck's Free and Clear Real Estate Program on the phone about a month ago, was pressured into the rush shipping and some long-distance phone credit "gift" that sounded bogus. (I was told I was being given the long distance credit, but never heard a thing about that again after receiving the materials..) apparently I did better than most people who never get their materials at all and still get charged) The way it looks, (and according to the information in one of the books in the package I was sent), real estate deals like this are sold at auctions which are usually well-attended, so the chance of actually being able to pick up a distressed property is slim at best. Of course when I tried to call the numbers to get a return authorization for their "money-back guarantee" surprise! - no answer. And my emails got returned to me undeliverable. Bad business!! YES, Atty. General. Shame on John Beck for pretending to be a nice guy (I'm sure he's a rich guy) , and shame on me for being stupid enough to believe in him.
Marie writes:
For those of you who need valid numbers for John Beck's Free & Clear system, these numbers worked for me the past couple of weeks (today is June 13, 2003): General Customer Service - (888) 461-9029 Mentoring Customer Service - (888) 615-8861 A "mentor" contacted me and tried to sell me on the $3,795 "program fee" which was completely underhanded because the infomercial did not mention ANYTHING about a program fee at all. In fact, I thought that spending the $57 on the kit was all I needed to start up my "home-based business". Thank God I found this site where all you good people have reported your experience with these people. Needless to say, I will not be participating in their program. I do regret spending that $57 on the kit though, as I have not received it and it looks like it'll be completely worthless.
Alexander writes:
I saw the John Beck's Free & Clear Real Estate System on an infomercial in beginning of May 2003. I thought it was too good to be true, but I ordered it anyway so I can go over it since I am a Business Management college major. I received the product in the mail about 2-3 weeks after I ordered the product. I watched the Intro Video. I was laughing every second of the video, because it was unorganized, uninformative, and completely unprofessional. How dare someone do this? The Videos sent to me are very low quality and my 8 yrs old nephew could probably make a better home video that this product. It's obvious that John Beck himself did not spend much money to manufacturer this product; I wouldn't be surprised if was running it from his one bedroom apartment. I am going to return this JUNK and I don't expect to be refunded because this is bogus from START to END. The only thing that bothers me is that there are other people out there unlike me, who cannot afford to throw away $60 and would rather spend it on their kids instead. This is not the end of this. I today got a phone call from a Mr. Keith or Tony Wagner, who was asking me to join this Real Estate Business by paying a $2,500.00 onetime membership fee. With this membership, they would be able to tell me exactly how to work on the system to make from 5-20K a month!!! SURE! I was not exactly born yesterday!! I purchased the system to read over it and see what junk it was, and $60 is not a big issue, however, to place a 2,500 dollar charge on my credit card is absolutely insane and anyone who would fall for this kind of scam has got to be a complete idiot. (No offence to all of you people who fell for it!) Becoming a Millionaire is never easy, if it was this easy, everyone would have been a millionaire. If you can manage your spending and have a decent income, you can get rich slowly. Doing anything, even real estate. My father worked all his life for my family and made a fortune for himself. The only people who get rich easy are people who are born into rich families, LIKE ME =). Please do not fall for this John Beck scan and hang up on the idiots who give you phone calls begging you to start and claiming they will make you a fortune. If they can really do that, they would rich themselves and would be on vacation 365 days a year, with no time to call anyone.
Abe writes:
I am one of those guys who try to fit my paychauqe into my bills. My name is Abe and a Canadian cityzen. I've ordered the "Free and Clear" Product and paid about 78.00 Canadian dollar through money order. Its been almost two months and haven't received the product yet. But if this man is tryin'g to get rich with the money I sweat for, then I swear to God he is nothing but a money Vampire and deserves to go to freaken hell.
Tyler writes:
I ordered John Beck's Free & Clear system on a Monday and recieved it by Thursday. Only 3 days for delivery, but that was the only good thing. I tried to access some of the websites provided and they are not functional. I got duped into agreeing to pay $4000 for a website to sell Real Estate from, as a "student" of John Beck's. Right after agreeing to pay the $4000 I found this site. I am glad I did. $2800 already got processed onto my credit cards but I froze my bank account and saved the other $1200. I am now trying to get my money back from the credit cards, I doubt I will be able to get a hold of John Beck's company. I will have to file a dispute with my credit card companies...I already changed the credit card account numbers so they can make no more charges. Why is the FBI doing nothing? I am mad as hell!!!
Linda writes:
I want tell you that the customer service department is less than cooperative when one wants to cancel an order. In a moment of weakness, I ordered John Beck's package on real estate. The next day, when I realized that I did not want the order, I called the customer service department. I was told that I was not in the computer as yet and that if I called back the next day I could cancel. I called today and was told that because my credit card had already been charged, the order could not be cancelled. Although I called within 3 business days to cancel. My card should not have been charged until those 3 business days were past. I find this to be a deceptive practice. When I asked to speak to a supervisor I was told they were all in a meeting. That is a very tranparent lie. I now must wait until I recieve the packet and pay to have it returned. I think this is a scam, nothing more and intend to report this to the Better Business Bureau.
Joanne writes:
I just ordered the John Beck kit on I believe it was tuesday, 10/14/03....they have charged my card....which is a debit card....my fiance and i were discussing it further, at first we thought this is great, we could make a little extra money....i've called FED EX, and they said the package was in transit and is scheduled for Tuesday delivery 10/21/03. So I guess I am actually going to get the package. I tried to call customer service because after reading all of your stories, i decided i should try to cancel before i even get it....no dice...tried 2 different numbers and get the same exact recording...you press 2 for customer service, and a voice says, "I'll transfer you"...you hear ringing 2 times, and the same exact recording you heard first after dialing comes on again. I can see already this is going to be a problem. I am going to my bank tomorrow morning and reporting it as fraud, disputing the charge and changing my bank accounts. If i don't there is a chance they may try to withdraw more money from my account, and then I will be living on the streets in a box...can't let that happen!!! I think that all of us should get together and FILE A CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST THIS COMPANY....they are listed with the better business bureau, and so far they've had some complaints....we should complain too.....Hope more people read this before deciding to buy. As for you all that have posted, my sympathies.
Michael writes:
I am currently trying to get my money back from John Beck thru their marketing arm MSI Marketing Solutions Int'l in the amount of $5,410.00.Moses Miller and Justin Lund sold me a totally false claim as to what is required and what i stand to gain from their program. I have tried to refund immediately but was declined. I kept calling them back and people there agreed i was fraudulently misled, like the coaches Randy Merchant, Ron Owens, customer supports Amber Allen & Jodie. Everytime i call back the people i spoke to was either terminated or has resigned from the company. I'm pursuing to file complaints to the Better Business Bureau.I would also recommend 2003 Consumer Action Handbook from GSA Federal Citizen Information Center.They have all the appropriate agencies that could help.
Dale writes:
On 9-11-03 around 9.00 oclock at night, I receieved a phone call from a guy name michael white, he told me, he work for the John Beck free and clear, and gave me is phone number This guy Mike White, was a great disappointment to me. He did not treat me in a proffessional manner. he was very pushy, rude and a mean person on the phone with me. He was demanding that i work with him on this advertising plan with him. I did explained to mike, that i did not view any of the vhs tapes yet, because all the information was not sent to me. also I asked mike, who would pay for this type of advertising plan, mike said, i would pay for it. I told him No Way! and then mike go on sayin "you would not like to make 20,000 a year," I said not with my money. he called me a jerk and hung up the phone on me, I do not understand why your company let this type of action to continue this will damage your good repulation, in all honesty i cannot see people being treated like this it is not right.
Beverly writes:
I also ordored John Becks free and clear with a money back guarantee , and also had it rushed to me It still took 4 weeks and I called for a return number and got an answering machine I left a message but no one called back ,and hasn't yet and probably never will! The only truth about this is that John Beck got our money free and clear . That basturd laughed all the way to the bank.I wonder how he sleeps at night knowing that he took the last 60.00 some people had,hopeing to make a lot of money but getting nothing in return. Just remember John easy come easy go. One day and I hope it is real soon someone will take you for the scam of your life.
James writes:
I am semi-retired and a victim of corporate greed called "downsizing." My loving wife saw Beck's Infomercial and ordered his product, without telling me. Upon delivery I searched the WWW and read what many of your readers had complained. Upon examination of his product, I discovered that the quality and organization were indeed poor, as some of your readers had also complained. The tape lost video half way through and there was no outline, other than a "read me first" document, which immediately got you hooked up with another sales person. Having some logic, I figured that Beck's course was about purchasing real estate through different types of tax sales. However, before I could verify what he had written about Florida's laws was accurate, one of his sales persons phoned me. It was easy to recognize that he was pre-qualifying me for another sale. He desperately wanted to know my credit card limits. I provided information to him and asked for more time to examine his product. If the product was good, I wanted it. However, another person name "Zac" phoned me later. I indicated again that I needed more time. He was very courteous, at the time. I researched Florida's tax sales and discovered that there were things that Beck did not mention and that the bidding process had been as low as = percent. You also had to wait a minimum of two years to apply for a foreclosure to get your money back, and there were hidden costs he did not mentioned. My wife and I decided to keep the product in fairness to Beck, but did not want to purchase anything else, especially give "Zac" 4200 "bucks." "Zac" phoned again and became indignant when I declined to purchase training through my credit card at a minimum of $4200. I told him that I might look into the foreclosures, but didn't see parting with my money so easily. He complained that their coaching was garanteed. But, getting a refund via a credit card is "BS." He knows it, and so do I. Why do I need a $4200 coach? Nonetheless, he got so nasty and insulting, I hug up the phone. Now, my wife wants her 60 "bucks" back.
Cory writes:
I have to apologize to all.. I DID NOT!! get caught by this scam by Mr. John Beck. I live in NYC and I was at the Dept. of finance(Handles Parking Tickets and Real Estate) and asked about the Tax Lein sale. I was notified that New York ONLY sells the Tax Leins to 3 corporations and no one else would even be considered. Also, finding out about the forclosure auctions. It seems that only the Mega Rich can afford to buy one. But, Mr. Beck is a disease that needs to be innoculated and unfortunately there are only a few honest individuals left in this evil time.
http writes:
I ordered this service and have recieved nothing. I tried to call, but the number had been changed. I tracked this attorney down. This is who John Beck is: John N. Beck II, J.D. is a California attorney who has written numerous books on real estate and real estate related investing. Since 1990, he has also written a syndicated newspaper column on foreclosure investing, The Foreclosure Corner. John has also been a real estate broker, syndicator, and real estate consultant and is listed in Who is Who In Creative Real Estate. He is a much sought after speaker who conducts real estate, real estate paper, and tax certificate investment seminars. John has appeared on numerous radio and television shows as a guest expert on foreclosures. John hosts the web site//www.johnbeck.net... And YES...As of 12-01-2003 still selling his wares....or lack thereof.
Leigh writes:
Woah be unto thee who orders that "30 Days Trial Offer". Informercial runs in the early morning hours, you're tired or half asleep when you call to order and the lovely sales rep on the line grabs all your personal info and makes sure to get the credit card information BEFORE they will take your order!Then they proceed to start offering this and that either for "FREE" or for an additional $1 to view for 30 days. They ,however, neglect to tell you those "FREE" and "$1" items are going to cost you in addition to the course you ordered after the 30 days. And they let you know you will be "billed" in 30 days. To most that means a paper billing sent, but they will bill to the credit card without telling you "WHEN" it will be billed, SURPRISE! Also you wil not get an invoice in that package UNLESS you are a "test customer" for them and then they will put an invoice in the package!Also you will start getting calls from other companies, "DING" you have been sold to others, since AMS is a marketing company! Also later on they will call offering you other services form AMS aka Carlton, even if you say NO, a lot of times, that greedy sales rep on the other end of the line will send it out to you and on those "aftermarket" items you are billed in FULL when it ships, oh,,but they say you have 30 days to review it! And don't try to cancel an order you just placed, you can't. for 24-48 hours you are lost in the "system" until they get the trial offer charge taken, then when that happens the company DOES NOT ALLOW A CANCELLATION OF SHIPMENT! It's their stand that they want the "customer" to be able to grab the actual "free" items from the box then you the "customer" has to pay to ship it back! Even if you refuse delivery from UPS or PO, you WILL NOT be refunded the trial offer charge of either 9.95 or 10.95. Nice little scam huh? Also as soon as you get that package call in find out HOW MUCH they! will charge you "IF" you keep it for good and WHEN your EVALUATION time is up too! THe only way this company will back down is if threatened by attorney and lawsuit and if BB steps in and if you threaten a chargeback to your credit card, they cannot afford these threats! BEWARE!!
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